tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post1073841235150704154..comments2024-03-01T08:12:37.173-08:00Comments on Oldhammer 40k: Second Edition: Imperial Guard vs Space MarinesLegioCustodeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-30974825245915825392017-05-14T09:32:00.036-07:002017-05-14T09:32:00.036-07:00No; the rule as otnwas was purely cosmetic; in fac...No; the rule as otnwas was purely cosmetic; in fact it's almost entirely superfluousLegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-66332928884826113952017-05-14T01:42:26.006-07:002017-05-14T01:42:26.006-07:00Thanks for confirming my thoughts! I was almost co...Thanks for confirming my thoughts! I was almost convinced I'd missed something due to the requirement to take command squads appropriate to the regiment units even though there is zero impact on the game! Sure, visually it makes sense, but it seems an odd rule to include. Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00603532357518350194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-68657847975806320812017-05-13T14:22:57.913-07:002017-05-13T14:22:57.913-07:00Hello mate!
Yeah that is correct; the differences...Hello mate!<br /><br />Yeah that is correct; the differences are purely cosmetic as all the guardsman have the same stats and function the same.LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-67194854098902826222017-05-11T07:29:10.124-07:002017-05-11T07:29:10.124-07:00Hi
I loved this report. I've just got into 2n...Hi<br /><br />I loved this report. I've just got into 2nd edition myself and am planning multiple small forces for various armies. Before I bought the Guard Codex I was under the impression that each type of guardsman (Cadian, Tallarn, Catchen etc) would have thier own stats and special rules, but in realisty it seems they all function the same on the tabletop? I've searched the book for an answer to this, but can't see anything that suggests otherwise. Is this correct??<br /><br />Thanks<br />ChrisChrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00603532357518350194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-83222591072205976362015-03-16T03:23:39.355-07:002015-03-16T03:23:39.355-07:00Oh dear.....
WarburtonOh dear.....<br /><br />WarburtonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-39393223910046783312015-03-09T03:23:19.088-07:002015-03-09T03:23:19.088-07:00You've had enough tanks!! You'll be please...You've had enough tanks!! You'll be pleased to hear I have sourced my own 1994 Leman Russ and a squad of wolf guard (you can thank Warburton for reminding me about those)! ;-)LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-16686346340954361622015-03-09T03:16:23.240-07:002015-03-09T03:16:23.240-07:00This is why I enjoyed it.. Another tank might be n...This is why I enjoyed it.. Another tank might be nice though!Detective Specialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00477241462550861224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-29368436677533480332015-03-09T00:26:51.537-07:002015-03-09T00:26:51.537-07:00I am not talking about apocalypse style games. The...I am not talking about apocalypse style games. They hold little interest for me except as the odd one of extravaganza. However 2nd Ed works best in the 1000-2000 points mark which we were just shy of, whilst the I like the game being smaller than current interactions of the genre I feel that as a space marine player only being able to field a couple of squads is tactically limiting.LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-53706108916058845362015-03-08T23:55:58.066-07:002015-03-08T23:55:58.066-07:00I'm not so sure?
I think the smaller points v...I'm not so sure?<br /><br />I think the smaller points values allowed the game to flow as the turns were shorter, allowing for a quicker tempo. This kept us both interested as opposed to a mass apocalyptic battle of attrition, which we often lose interest in by turn 2.<br /><br />This also meant that we valued our 'privilege' weapons a bit more and use them to effect- such as your autocannon terminator.<br /><br /><br /><br />Detective Specialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00477241462550861224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-18135735480874232672015-03-08T16:08:43.764-07:002015-03-08T16:08:43.764-07:00Hmmm.... That story sounds remarkably close to rea...Hmmm.... That story sounds remarkably close to reality!!<br /><br />Yeas, it was a good game mate!! I think next time we will have to increase the points value so we can get a few more units on the table!!LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-83564261764345761652015-03-08T15:54:20.110-07:002015-03-08T15:54:20.110-07:00Ok...
Where to start..
The Imperial Guard, thoro...Ok...<br /><br />Where to start..<br /><br />The Imperial Guard, thoroughly pissed off with the recent pension reforms and travel costs opted to go AWOL and fight for the highest bidder, forming a mercenaries guild. -The name of which was pending agreement at the next committee meeting. The uniform had however had been agreed to resemble that of Lt Rock's favourite retro gaming marine....<br /><br />This plan was a shit one and was not properly thought out. That is however, until the AWOL esteemed pilfered a tank and managed to collect some beer tokens whilst venting their frustrations on the surprised Crimson Fists. <br /><br />The result of which allowed for Lt. Rock to use some rare initiative and regain the shifting favour of his cut throat heretics whilst also promoting himself to Captain (complete with additional shiny badges).<br /><br />All in all, this game was great fun and allowed for the Imperial Guard to use range and cover to effect.<br /><br />I loved the 'Hidden' and 'Overwatch' rules which allowed the use of cover and ambushes.<br /><br />The imperial guard autocannons did sterling work prior to succumbing to a wave of boltgun/autocannon death.<br /><br />The missile launchers and Leman Russ Weapons found their targets, forcing the remaining Astartes to advance.<br /><br />The remaining guard screened the Leman Russ with a wall of flesh, allowing for the tank to steal the day by taking the ammo dump objective whilst also mopping up the remaining brothers....<br /><br />Great fun, gaming as it should be! Detective Specialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00477241462550861224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-56090776345426825292015-03-08T07:49:55.696-07:002015-03-08T07:49:55.696-07:00Prior to this battle I was very pro tactical squad...Prior to this battle I was very pro tactical squad but I think that's been sullied somewhat. I think in a slightly bigger they would have fared a bit better, but as it was they were the only real troops choice on the table so they took a butchering. Next time we'll go bigger and hopefully use them to best effect!<br /><br />You should definitely do it, once you start playing it's like crack...you just need more!!LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-22909109901686832612015-03-08T07:28:25.572-07:002015-03-08T07:28:25.572-07:00I have to disagree on the tactical squads. I swear...I have to disagree on the tactical squads. I swear by them in 2nd ed, I think they are one of the most versatile units in the game. My Dark Angels were always built around a solid core of at least 2 tactical squads, more if points allowed.<br /><br />I think it really depends on using them to their strengths to really get the best out of them:<br />- A 3+ armour save is great, but not getting hit in the first place is the best save. So using cover to move up the field is a must.<br />- Within 12"? Rapid fire with the Bolt Pistols for +2 to hit, effectively making the enemy hard cover useless, or shooting fish in a barrel if they're out of cover.<br />- Within 10"? Consider the humble Frag Grenade on the enemies in cover, if that blast marker doesn't fit entirely inside the building it is considered a confined space turning those explosions into strength 4 -2. If you're rolling all your "to hits" together for those grenades instead of one at a time, the enemy unit could be taking 20-30 or more hits from that barrage before rolling to wound.<br /><br />I really wouldn't like to build a Space Marine army without them. They've carried me through so many tough battles.<br /><br />You know what, I said it the other day... But now thinking about these old tactics again has really got me hungering for a game of 2nd ed.Stygianhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02157673627988765453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-90778576501699492422015-03-07T11:05:44.396-08:002015-03-07T11:05:44.396-08:00A GW employee admitting they made a mistake.... My...A GW employee admitting they made a mistake.... My God; that sounds almost mythical. One of the drones was still trying to convinced that terrible hobbit game was a good idea the other day; what a farce!!<br /><br />They may be over powered... But I want some now you have reminded me of them! :-)<br /><br />Yeah; having revisited the codex today the assault squad does seem a pretty sound investment, but your right about the expense...they could become very costly, very quickly. LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-29557222478930607132015-03-07T11:01:04.364-08:002015-03-07T11:01:04.364-08:00Wolf Guard were actually an example where Ian Pick...Wolf Guard were actually an example where Ian Pickstock, in a White Dwarf article, admitted they had made a mistake and made them too overpowered (you wouldn't get that these days!).<br /><br />I always thought assault squads were capable of doing the most damage to both infantry and vehicles, though the points cost can be horrendous if you deck them out properly (I used to favour them all being armed with powerfists and chainswords, with a few plasma pistols and chainswords mixed in....).<br /><br />WAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-55734589078710637632015-03-07T07:12:59.835-08:002015-03-07T07:12:59.835-08:00Cheers mate. I'm really loving the retro vibe....Cheers mate. I'm really loving the retro vibe. I was thinking the same thing, hopefully I can get my mate around for a few more games to find out the eventual fate of this shady mercenary!<br /><br />If you're reading this Jon... Look... Your warriors are in demand... People want to know what becomes of them!LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-5662328727535998742015-03-07T07:10:26.499-08:002015-03-07T07:10:26.499-08:00Mate; I will look forward to seeing the results! T...Mate; I will look forward to seeing the results! That one on your blog looked great and I reckon a whole army like that will be very impressive! Are you going to go aspect warrior heavy?LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-33769856082573730062015-03-07T06:57:19.595-08:002015-03-07T06:57:19.595-08:00Hi!
Thanks for the inspiration! I have decided to...Hi!<br /><br />Thanks for the inspiration! I have decided to take the plunge and paint up some Eldar I have had kicking around unpainted or sat in dettol for a few years now!<br /><br />Hopefully I will be able to get some updates posted as I go...<br /><br />All the best!SpacecowSmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05526363535587059611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-49850412977412005922015-03-07T06:51:21.394-08:002015-03-07T06:51:21.394-08:00Great battle report, you've really captured th...Great battle report, you've really captured the essence of 90's 40k. <br />The backstory of Sgt. Rock was quite enjoyable, mini narrative campaign of their rise (and perhaps fall) as mercs in the sector would be great, if you have the inclination.<br />Looking forward to more. 24_Cigaretteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14235772450092467367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-65709194152737051072015-03-07T04:59:06.109-08:002015-03-07T04:59:06.109-08:00Yeah; I have now learned that unless I am fighting...Yeah; I have now learned that unless I am fighting one of my perfectly matched 'identical space marine' army games that the stalwart tactical squad is in fact... Dog shit!<br /><br />It just doesn't do anything particularly well for the massive points cost.<br /><br />Yep I reckon I'll be rocking a predator again next time.<br /><br />Hahaha! I had completely forgotten about the Wolf Guard; man they were ridiculously over powered!! I might churn out a small contingent of Space Wolf allies next time!LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-3504656985824808442015-03-07T04:55:41.173-08:002015-03-07T04:55:41.173-08:00Cheers Suber;
I'm glad you're enjoying th...Cheers Suber; <br />I'm glad you're enjoying them mate! Surely youust have someone in your area who would love to play second edition with you. I know I say it all the time but your Ultramarines need to get in on the action; they really are too beautiful not to see some fighting soon.LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-48358463334606853262015-03-07T03:56:26.487-08:002015-03-07T03:56:26.487-08:00Great stuff.
I have to say I always avoid tactica...Great stuff.<br /><br />I have to say I always avoid tactical squads, you just can't get enough out of them to make them worthwhile -- devastators always seem to be a better choice -- though for 2nd edition you can't get much better firepower than a twin linked lascannon predator with heavy bolter sponsons...unless you go Wolf Guard all with assault cannons and cyclone missile launchers....<br /><br />I look forward to seeing more 2nd edition battle reports; really enjoying these!<br /><br />WarburtonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-47131447213105149352015-03-07T03:41:31.087-08:002015-03-07T03:41:31.087-08:00Your reports are always so encouraging! I've e...Your reports are always so encouraging! I've enjoyed it pretty much and only makes me want to play 2nd Ed again! Keep it up!!Suberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02005091019027411799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-89324515637787753892015-03-07T00:10:35.471-08:002015-03-07T00:10:35.471-08:00Cheers mate, it was great fun to play! You should ...Cheers mate, it was great fun to play! You should definitely get a bit of 2nd Ed action going on!LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857782535346921526.post-54728351478593535402015-03-07T00:09:02.025-08:002015-03-07T00:09:02.025-08:00Cheers Bruno!
I have to admit...it was pretty emo...Cheers Bruno!<br /><br />I have to admit...it was pretty emotional! I was relying on the Terminators Power Gloves and Chain Fists getting close enough to tear the tank to shreds... Alas that ridiculous uber cannon stopped that plan!! <br /><br />I'm currently building a Genestealer Cult army too, and after this experience I am pretty sure it's getting a Russ!LegioCustodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833383911728446032noreply@blogger.com